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den ([personal profile] den) wrote2003-12-21 04:48 pm

Misanthropy.

Misanthropic Gender Propaganda

I find it an interesting post because it's something I've not encountered. If you must comment be nice.

[identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com 2003-12-20 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
A number of my friends were out-and-out feminazis like that over a several-year period in the past. Constant harping about how guys were inferior because they had a Y chromosome, how soon we could be extinct and the world would be a better place, and basically saying "our ancestors were screwed in the past so that gives us a right to impose our own, equally hypocritical double-standards on people unrelated to past oppressions, today!"

And when I express displeasure at being labelled a target, a symbol of oppression, and am otherwise attacked, I'M the one who's apparently being a bigot about it.

No, I've encountered this mindset several times in the past. There's no justification for it, its adherents are absolute idiots, and I refuse to coddle or tolerate it.

[identity profile] raki.livejournal.com 2003-12-20 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's much more useful to encourage and support the right (read: most socially useful) kinds of feminism by showing solidarity, than to spend one's time condemning those one finds personally distasteful. I'm not saying I agree with lesbian separatism -- I don't -- I just feel that it's misdirected to focus excessive attention on it lest it reinforce patriarchal myths about assertive women emasculating men.

The solution to bad feminism is neither decrying bad feminism nor no feminism, but good feminism. ;-)

[identity profile] level-head.livejournal.com 2003-12-21 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
I am generally troubled by the concept of "groupisms" -- that we should separate into groups and demand differential rights.

I've often seen in justified as punishment for past transgressions, but I haven't yet found this argument compelling. Too much of history would be potentially involved, and the balances could never be struck.

===|==============/ Level Head

[identity profile] elsibeth.livejournal.com 2003-12-20 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
My dear Den,

As I live near Wesleyan, I often find myself there. I go to therapy there and to open mics both for reading scribbles and for playing music. I also like to do lots of the cultural things they offer there.

I can tell you that, yes, there are some extreme versions of feminism there. I've run into it on a number of occasions both in groop and in the coffee place. Nevertheless, it's not pervasive there; it's merely present. I think it would be an error to misjudge Wesleyan on that score. They organise politically on many issues, many of which I'm certain you'd approve.

love,
Elsie
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I made this icon for you from a picture that you took and sent to me on 30 Sep 2000 of a bat named Livvie. Perhaps you'll like it. (hug)

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[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-12-20 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
*laughs*

Thanks for the icon! 8)

[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-12-20 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
There, new icon for Bat stories. 8)
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[personal profile] kayshapero 2003-12-22 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Awww... cute little battie!