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den ([personal profile] den) wrote2003-11-02 07:15 pm

Lilo & Stitch

I watched Lio & Stitch again today (Bad Den! Do your assignments!) and enjoyed it immensely again. That enjoyment was spoiled a bit by the knowledge that Dizco will not be making a movie like this again. This one has a really nice mix of CGI and Cel animation, and the most wonderful backgrounds, and one of the best original stories - something Dizco hasn't had for yonks.

CGI will not make a crap movie better, and some stories are spoiled by hyper-realistic animation.

[identity profile] weibchenwolf.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
They won't? Why not? I demand a rethink!

[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
Disney have closed their cel animation department and will only produce CGI animations by Pixar.

[identity profile] erin-c-1978.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Not just by Pixar. They're putting the cel animators they haven't laid off, veterans who've been doing beautiful drawings for ages, on computers. Unfortunately, they've yet to realize that computers won't fix story problems, and CGI isn't a magic bullet.

[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been watching the Bonus sections, and it looks like Lilo & Stitch are all done on "cels" that were created on the computer. The animators drew them on the digital version of a light table where running the pen over the screen created a line. However, each frame was still drawn by hand, and all the backgrounds were scanned watercolours.

[identity profile] erin-c-1978.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean that Lilo and Stitch was done on computers; like you said, their films have been colorized by computer for awhile now, but they're still hand drawn. I meant that that Disney's in the process of transferring their old 2D animators to an in-house 3D animation department, which will be making films separately from Pixar.

[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah.

...come to think of it, it might be better if they handed all their animation over to Pixar. I dread to see what will come out of this bastard animation department. Probably more even lower quality knock-off sequals to existing titles. Treasure Planet 2! YAY!

[identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
I think Disney's killing their cel animation department requires a torch-and-pitchfork party. :P

[identity profile] weyrdbird.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
"I'm already *IN* my room!" :)

I concur. They have produced a sequel, but it went straight to DVD/VCR. Which these days is a sign of sequelitis, alas:P.

[identity profile] erin-c-1978.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
Lilo and Stitch is a wonderful movie. This move on Disney's part makes me want to throw things. I love 2-D animation, and I don't want to see it gone.

My hope is that in four or five or ten years, when the shiny new of CGI has worn off a little bit, that we might start seeing 2-D from them again.

I have nothing against 3-D -- I just think that 2-D is still a vital medium.

[identity profile] dizzdvl.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
What about Brother Bear? Isn't that non-cgi?

[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That hasn't opened here, so I can't say. The stills look Trad Animation which is nice. I think BB is the last Dizco cel animation. They used the poor showing of Treasure Planet as the excuse to close the studio. "People don't like 2D animations" is what they said when they should have asked "Why didn't people like that story?"

[identity profile] dizzdvl.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Michael Eisner sucks. :P

[identity profile] dewhitton.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Never mind the quality! Look at the LENGTH!

[identity profile] oceansedge.livejournal.com 2003-11-02 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
It's terrible, I detest Disney, always have.... as a corperate entity, and yet... for the most part I keep getting sucked back by good story... Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, ... and Lilo and Stitch ... can't watch that movie without sniffling. (And then hating them again for stuff like Pocohontas or The Hunchback of Notre Dame *what did make them think that could ever be a kids movie?????*)

Ya know I gotta say I love Pixar and the work they've done. It's great really it is, and it's fun, and they do a bang up job. BUT... I also love the traditional cel animation, and detest that Disney didn't think there was room for both **sigh**

[identity profile] lizardling.livejournal.com 2003-11-03 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
I hear they shut their dept when Black Cauldron came out and sank ye many years ago. Then reopened their face with Little Mermaid, when someone decided they were crazy enough to try drawing an entire movie.

So it might take another 10 years before someone decides they're crazy enough again. Hopefully. >_<

Agree with you all the way there. Look at what happened with that Final Fantasy movie. Awesome CGI, sank without a trace due to crap story, I hear.